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I think I get the good intentions behind trying "to solve" this "problem". People fear a sudden massacre-like disaster if population growth goes unchecked. But I have a few concerns with this "top-down" approach - egalitarian inspired or not. With "top-down" I mean that an extremly small group of brainy people, no matter what their political opinion or approach, will use their brains and computer models to find solutions.

I think this is not possible. The problem is too complex. There will never be a solution that works for most people. There will always be winners and losers. It will always come back to greed and power. And no matter who and what they do, they will fuck shit up even more with big programs. We are simply not iintelligent enough and there are too many variables. More importantly, on the body-mind level, where most of us live exclusively, we are not programmed to save others but maybe next of kin. On that level we are, like probably all animals, programmed to survive, thrive and reproduce. This is not negotiable. As soon this gets threatened the friendly masks and gloves come off and people will kill to ensure this programming. Always did, always will. That's why there are 8 Billion of us.

The interesting facts are that we don't stop when our survival and reproduction is secured. Most of us live way above that threshold but keep on consuming and accumulating and exploiting resources. This is fuelled by desires and fears, not based in our bodies but in the mind. While our bodily needs are more than satisfied, our mind's needs seem to be boundless and the true cause of the obsession is fear and desire.

Of course, at the core of all this is the felt sense of "I". Almost everybody on this planet feels they are seperate and alianated from the rest of the planet and this is extremly alarming and scary. On one side there is this very fragile me - on the other side a big hostile world with 8 billion people I can't trust because they are programmed to kill me if they feel this is necessary to survive. So each of us - mostly unconsciously - tries to somehow prepare for that, tries to plug this existential safety hole with all sorts of actions and things in an attempt to feel a little bit safer. But it is a bottomless hole and a lost cause. As long we firmly believe that all we are is this seperate body-mind, we will always feel alienated and threatened by this world and as a result be scared, exploit, and kill if needed. And be exploited and killed. Just look at our history.

No mind-born "practical" solution will ever solve this behaviour. Especially not on a social or political level where solutions are imposed on billions of people.

What might help is a spiritual awakening on a global scale. Just to make sure: To me, spiritual is not related to religious based belief systems involving a human-like god figure. That's just wishful thinking and stupid fantasies. They are anti-spiritual imo.

Many wise sages have identified an unchecked unobserved free-roaming mind as the source of all suffering. There are a range of excellent techniques, teachings and exercises widely availabme for free.

But they involve work and discipline, of course, and without proper motivation no-one will do them. What induces such motivation in these things?

1. Some just have a natural curiosity for it. It is strongly linked to an ability to see reality as it is, not through the wishful and fearful fantasies of our minds. Anyone that has that ability, will sooner or later realize that our individual egoic life form has no happy end. At best, you get old, sick and die. And this is earned with a lot of sweat, tears and striving. So exhausting. My life is conditioned by habits, mostly to survive, accumulate and reproduce - to what end? True moments of bliss and joy are extremly rare. Why bother?

When we come to that point we maybe start looking elsewhere for something that is more rewarding. Now. Because it can be over the next minute.

Happiness, bliss, joy only happens in the now. With practise we can also observe that the mind is never in the now. It is never here either.

2. Spontaneous Awakening Experience

They come in all forms and shapes and are much more common than talked about. They are mostly tabu. They have a great potential to set people free, make them desire-and-fearless. And those that rule us don't want that. They need people that are scared and people that consume endlessly. To consume you have to earn. The people who rule us earn on both - our work and our shopping.

Therefore, what used to be spiritual awakenings are no often classified as psychotic episodes or other diagnosis. These experience can be profoundly mind-shattering and we used to have shamans, sages, masters and so on to help us to process and integrate them. Now they get squashed by medications and people stay stuck and disabled for years.

But even manageable "lighter" spiritual awakenings are tabu and not talked about anymore for fear of being judged a "loony".

Sometimes they are not even recognized as spiritual awakenings. This often happens with drug induced awakenings. (I come to that below).

Sometimes they get "commercialised" and rebranded as "flow-states" and seen as a performance tool feeding tbe ego rather than the spirit.

But if processed and integrated these awakenings

3. Induced awakening experience

This includes all forms of meditations, self-enquiry and other spiritual practices. There is no guarantee, of course. The world is littered with old mediators still hoping for one. It's usually the hope that denies them. Hope is a useless egoic emotion.

It also includes intentional spiritual drug use. This has been done for thousands of years. Mostly with psychedelic drugs. The translated indigenous name of magic mushrooms is "flesh of the gods"

The war on drugs has several reasons but to me, cutting many people off from drug induced spiritual experiences is the least talked about but most important one.

In summary, if we ever want to leave the ultimately meaningless, animal-like, body-mind based, vastly conditioned and automatic state of ever repeating cycles of creation and destruction - as an individual or a culture - we need to learn to go beyond this body-mind. There is no doubt that this is possible. We wouldn't still talk about the Buddha or Jesus or many other srlf-realized masters if they were fake. But we have to understand that institutionalising spirituality is not possible. It can't be taught. It is not of the mind. It is also not a belief. It is a personal awakening experience that starts it off. The rest is practise. With practise desire and fear diminishes. This causes a change in life-style with a much much smaller egoic footprint.

Don't try to save the world. That's proposterous. The biggest ego trip and distraction. Save yourself first. The rest will take of itself.

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Max More's avatar

"the key limiting factor for population growth worldwide in the not-so-distant future: the extreme decline in the world’s natural resources." Nope. We've been hearing this for centuries and it is always wrong. I recommend reading Superabundance. There are many great books on the topic but this is recent and extremely detailed.

The projections by Scientific American are likely too high. They are even higher than the UN's. And the UN's are higher than more sophisticated projects such as those from The Wittgenstein Centre (global population peaks in the 2070s at 9.8 billion then falls to 9.5 billion by 2100), and the IMHE (peak at 9.73 billion in 2064, and declining to 8.76 billion by 2100).

We should stop giving foreign aid to Africa. Only then will they have to shape up economically and do something about their immensely corrupt governments.

"Whites in western countries all have well sub-replacement TFR (replacement is at 2.1)." Yes, but doesn't this contradiction what you say about unchecked population growth?

"The UN claimed in 2019 that humanity is gobbling up natural resources at an unsustainable pace." You just accept the UN's claims while quoting this as authoritative right after criticizing Gates for using unsound model projections.

I go into some detail on the population issue (from a life extension perspective) here:

https://maxmore.substack.com/p/overcoming-population-arguments-to

On resource availability, I also recommend reading Superabundance. There are now many good books on the topic but this is very recent and very detailed.

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