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Mike Kay's avatar

Interesting post, NLF., on many fronts. Its really impossible for me to comment on it all, because there was so much said here, but I would like to offer a few tidbits, with the last as commentary on the running debate with the hostile xtian, the poorly named Mr Raven.

I think I would like to begin with the Demiurge. This relates to the fact that Gnosticism is Egyptian, not Greek or Roman. I can substantiate this, it is not speculation.

The Demiurge is an experiential mystical fact. Demiurge is not, as is being claimed today, a belief, or worse, an empty intellectual pursuit.

Mystical facts are essential experiences that can take years, even a lifetime to understand.

Ancient Egypt understood quite well the mystical fact of the Demiurge, and the relationship between the Demiurge and all of creation, which was passed down to the Gnostics.

The question of the redemption of the Demiurge is a complex one that is answered more through perspective than any actual fact. There were some great seers who noted that this cosmos was not the first, that the previous disassembled due to its own inherent deficiency, and that this current cosmos also exists on borrowed time.

In terms of the different types of people, it is once more primarily a condition of spirit, that vast numbers participate in a borrowed spirit, which is returned then to source upon completion of the cycle of life. Thus, in a real sense, the most base, material person is a complete embodiment of the primal forces of this cosmos. Because of the nature of our cosmos, then this is both a beautiful and terrible thing.

Finally, in terms of what passes for Gnosticism amongst the current world leadership.

Any intellectual fabrication such that applying technology to the world and people is a type of Gnosticism derives from an essential lack of the experience of mystical fact.

Through the realization of mystical fact, one naturally moves to seek beyond arbitrary definition and supposition.

There is not now, never has been, nor ever will be a tech-Gnosis simply because the concept reveals an incomplete and rather stupid idea of Gnosis. A child can make engine sounds, and move an object across the floor and fully believe he is operating a piece of machinery that previously captured his fancy, but any adult understands its just play. Play is healthy in correct context, yet when one asserts that it simply must be first genuine experience, well a lot of truth has to be jettisoned on the way to that conclusion.

This is the level at which modern thought evaluates and defines Gnosis.

I feel that mankind is going to be in this collective dream until he finally is done with it, or it destroys him. There is so much that happens to us collectively, especially on the level of dreams, and so little cognizance of any of it, its all rather amazing.

Thanx, NLF, for another worthy post.

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M Flood's avatar

I have been explaining my children the difference between types of knowledge as stunts versus keys. A stunt is a thing whose only purpose is to impress other people - skateboard tricks, drawing perfect circles one handed, knife juggling. A key is knowledge that opens doors to new things to think about, new ways to understand. Mathematics, physics, computer science, color theory. Learning to meditate doesn't impress anyone else but it may open spiritual doors.

Postmodern philosophies following from Heidegger, down through Foucault and Derrida - arguably German-inspired philosophy since Schelling and Hegel - have always struck me as akin to learning stunts, the mastery of an abstruse vocabulary which doesn't let you do anything else. Icelandic is a notoriously difficult languageto learn, but you can at least talk to Icelanders and read their books. Learning the vocabulary of Derrida, on the other hand, equips one to write more of the same, possibly get an academic job, and impress the people who can do the same.

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